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A Reader posted a review at 2008-10-02 11:05:08. (Language: English)
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 I cannot put my reaction to this book in words. Some of the greatest moments of my reading experience lie bound between the covers of this book, as well as so many questions and a great deal of confusion. This book is not for the casual reader, rather it is for those who take comfort in an extreme literary challenge. There are many long passages comprised of Joyce's free-flowing stream of thought that are difficult, and sometimes impossible, to understand. All of it is beautiful in its composition, but often the complexity and abstract nature of the content is simply to high in the sky for one, at least me, to understand. Worth the read, especially if you have a large amount of time that needs to be filled (I was flying accross the atlantic and traveling around Europe and still did not finish by the time I arrived home).
Most difficult read of my life so far. Moments of unbelievable imagary and unrivaled dialogue.
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Marilena posted a review at 2009-09-28 02:04:19. (Language: English)
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 there is that inner voice in your head telling you 'you have to rate this book as a masterpiece' and well it is, in its own right, a completely different work of fiction. but, it is more like a guidebook on writing styles than anything else. the plot is secondary to that excellent array of narration techniques devised and I would be really really surprised if anyone can finish it lightheartedly if they are not academics. My most hot headed book loving friends have left it hanging around page 70 and others have classified it as ‘the book I’ll read when I’m over 50’. Maybe it is a right choice. Or maybe some books are just not meant to be understood by all. (btw I am currently struggling to reach the half way mark)
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A Reader posted a review at 2008-04-08 01:00:41. (Language: English)
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 "this was a bit like thinking someone else's thoughts... " said one reviewer. Many years later I saw the film "Being John Markovitch" and realized that going through the portal into Markovitch's mind was not unlike the novel Ulysses. If the movie had been a novel it may be critiqued much as this novel of James Joyce.Ulysses is not for everyone. Some can pick it up and read it, others will put it down many times before struggling through to the last chapter. Perhaps the best way of evaluating this novel is to open it anywhere in the middle 2/3 of the book and read a page. One will either be fascinated and want to read more or will be turned off by the language, prose and lexicon.I resolved the issue of time and solitude required to give it due attention, by taking it to Brazil where my daughter left me for several days with nothing but miles of deserted beach on which to walk and read. I felt I was the protagonist in the novel on his walk... I finished it and very glad I did.
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A Reader posted a review at 2008-12-24 07:26:55. (Language: English)
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 There is little to say about this novel that hasn't been said, re-said, and re-re-said (ad infinitum). This novel is Joyce's masterpiece, to be sure, and does require a significant commitment of time and strenuous academic effort before the treasures of his prose can reveal themselves in anything that's remotely close to "full". Joyce's genius is undebatable, his pen only slightly less so. This is not a book you read once, it's one you continue visiting throughout your life. I'm on my third go-round now, and my first without a companion text (Gilbert's good, but Anthony Burgess's "ReJoyce" was definitely my favorite companion piece), and it's no easier this time than prior attempts. Challenging, erudite, a mountain of a novel, this is, in my humble opinion, the crowning achievement of the English language, in its almost singular ability to recreate the experience of being human. Not for everyone, but immensely rewarding for those who take the journey.
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A Reader posted a review at 2010-07-19 06:13:31. (Language: English)
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 Old James Joyce wrote a book.
And yes I said yes I will Yes.

And in this novel he had some fun
And yes I said yes I will Yes
With a Bloom, Bloom here
And a Dedalus there
Here a Boylan
With his Molly
Everybody does this Molly
Old James Joyce wrote a book
& yes i said ys i wll Yezs.

Inaccessible, pompous overdone, ambitious, arrogant, poetic, erotic, neurotic, psychotic – Ulysses is all that.
This famous work of English literature was presented to me in 1971 by a friend of the family. Thirty-nine year later I got around to reading the novel, taking over two months to do so. I read the work with the book on my left knee and Shmoops’s study guide on my right (in Kindle format). I probably understood and enjoyed 10% of the 768 pages.

This is my take of the message of the novel: We are all heroes; the richest, the poorest, the famous, and the common. We can all be heroes, even while enduring the most mundane existence. The goal of our lives should be to live to the fullest, to pursue and grab for happiness in all its forms.

I would not recommend this book to my friends or family. I do not believe that the work required to decipher the novel’s meaning is worth the delivered message. The book took Joyce seven years (1914-1921) to write. It could easily take as long to study. It is, without question, the most difficult novel I have read.

On the positive side, Ulysses employs the largest vocabulary (both ordinary and arcane), the most character detail, and the widest array of writing styles of any work of literature I have experienced.
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A Reader posted a review at 2007-11-30 07:19:20. (Language: English)
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 Well, I don't know what to say..it took me around seven months to read it..read a bit every night before bed (yeah i know what you're thinking, and it did help!), but in a strange facinating way, i kept coming back to it and sticking with it, coz I only get time to read it then (what with two kids under three!)..I found it bizzare and felt it was quite out of my depth most of the time as a lot of it's relevance was lost on me as I read it in isolation without any supporting texts, but I read the other joyce books (dubliners, portrait..) before to warm upto this one..i found a lot of his writing to be somehow way ahead of his time (i had to keep reminding myself this was 1914-21) and I was amazed at this one individual's vast capacity of knowledge at such a young age, but how did he write such an imaginative piece which halve the time I felt was seemingly written in a drug induced frenzy of words..but that is what it isn't is stunning..the patience and sheer bloody mindedness that must've been behind this..when i managed to reach the last loooong sentence without any sort of punctuation I was relieved but to somehow portray the way a woman feels in a sudden flow of interconnected disjointed flowing thoughts was brilliant! At least I thought it was. And I'm glad I stuck with it..and will perhaps go back to it again someday!
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A Reader posted a review at 2009-09-06 03:44:54. (Language: Italian)
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 in effetti avevo degli scrupoli a segnarlo come "letto". Ma marcarlo come "sto leggendo" avrebbe significato lasciarlo in tale categoria per l'eternita': so che non lo finiro' mai. Mi sono sentito in colpa per anni per non avere avuto la forza di finirlo, finche' non mi sono imbattuto in una critica di CG Jung che accosta il libro (sul quale Jung stesso si era addormentato a piu' riprese) a quegli anellidi che se tagliati in due formano due meta' che vivono ciascuna di vita propria (va da se che condizione essenziale sia la mancanza di cervello e la riduzione essenzialmente ad un tubo digerente con due orifizi, situazione che mi ricorda ancora di piu' l'Ulysses, attraverso il quale tutto fluisce senza essere elaborato, se non a livello "gastrico"). Ho avuto la stessa identica sensazione: cominciare il libro da pagina uno o da pagina 152 e` esattamente la stessa cosa. Saro' un barbaro incolto, ma l'ho trovato illeggibile (non solo per lo stile - dello stream of consciousness avrei fatto volentieri a meno, comunque - ma anche per la struttura). Uno dei tre libri che in vita mia non sono riuscito a terminare (gli altri due sono: Arcipelago Gulag e "il cardillo addolorato" di AM Ortese, quest ultimo scagliato contro un muro per la rabbia)
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A Reader posted a review at 2011-02-24 03:09:01. (Language: English)
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 Possibly the most difficult book I've ever read. That being said, you do get accustomed to the style a little bit as you go. Every chapter is written in such a specific way that it's like reading 18 separate stories that connect and intersect with one another. Joyce has attempted to capture every sensation experienced by his characters on a June day in Dublin...and does so surprisingly well.

This is where confusion stems from. So many references are significant to the setting that many are lost on contemporary readers. However, the majority of these thoughts and references aren't crucial to the plot, but rather serve to paint as vivid a picture of each character as possible. Not how they act, or appear, but how they truly ARE. A shining example of this is the final, epic thought process of Molly, which paints a brutally honest picture of her character.

I also used about 250 pages worth of notes while reading, and I would suggest other readers do the same. At the same time, relying too heavily on them can detract from the story.
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A Reader posted a review at 2008-10-17 05:26:57. (Language: English)
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 Universally positioned as the greatest book in the English language, though many consider the wild sublime effusion of freeform prose impenetrable. After personally trying and failing on multiple intermittent attempts over the years to ride the North Shore perfect wave of streaming sentient wordplay, I finally found the magic seam. I deliberately read the text with a conscious Irish accent in my mind. I chose the actor who plays Baltar's lawyer in the remake of Battlestar Galactica, who has a lovely Irish lilt. Immediately, the dense words, that were so slippery, so strange in their rhythm, dissolved into sharp focus. A thin opaque film was peeled back, and the text became a revelation of meaning, sound, and imagery. Perfect coherence. Effortless comprehension. A mellifluous flowing river of text that ran clear and fast over a sublimely talented and playful narrative intelligence, in total command of the English language, an unruly beast perhaps never so fully tamed before, or since.
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A Reader posted a review at 2007-10-23 07:49:10. (Language: English)
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 Ulysses has a formidable reputation. It is undoubtedly a very dense novel, breaking down as it does, in various kinds of narrative voice, the experience (between characters) of a single 24 hour period. People should not be deterred, however! Joyce plays with language throughout this book in an extraordinarily irreverent way which is earthy, erotic, and often extremely funny. He mercilessly parodies the grand narratives of academia and power, English imperialism, and everyday cant. At the same time he explores the innermost recesses of human experience as it is experienced, amidst the polyphony of every day, and reveals our profound interconnectedness. The Dublin of Stephen Dedalus and Leopold and Molly Bloom is profoundly alive, and the book constantly reflects to the reader the possibilities that live within the very fibre of everyday life, whether we're sitting on the toilet, struggling to hold a job, having sexual fantasies, contemplating Hamlet or nurturing a profound sense of loss. It is a book, like any, that must be read from beginning to end to be understood -- passages may seem senselessly tedious in fact add up to a most remarkable whole which I can say changed my life, at least as a reader.

I cannot recommend this book more highly.
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A Reader posted a review at 2010-06-14 11:42:32. (Language: English)
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 I have FINALLY emerged from behind the pages of Ulysses. I can't even remember when I started the book, but it was several months ago. I have never taken so long to read one book, other than the Bible, in my life. Of course I did read each chapter twice. I would read the chapter first then read a cheater guide on it before going through it a second time. I really wanted to write this review in some literary style used in the book but I don't feel capable of doing it justice. It's just as well because if I were able to do so, most of you probably wouldn't understand what I had written without Cliff's Notes.

This novel is written in a complex linguistic style, told by a variety of narrators, making use of puns, invented words, allusions, neologisms, parodies, symbolism, imitations of exaggerated Latinate, Middle English and Elizabethan prose as well as the styles of many prominent writers like John Bunyan, Charles Dickens and Charles Lamb. It assumes the reader is knowledgeable in the political and cultural history of Ireland, Irish Nationalism, Irish Literary Revival, the poetic writings of Homer, Dante, Virgil and Ovid, the philosophies of Aristotle and Plato as well as a few Germanic and Indo-European languages. Joyce's interesting use of punctuation, or sometimes lack thereof, is deliberate and made it difficult for me to distinguish between third person narrative, dialog and interior monologue. Joyce makes liberal use of real but normally seldom used words like ashplant, crozier and honorificabilitudinitatibus as well as his own made up vocabulary of words, such as contransmagnificandjewbangtantiality, seawardpointed, warmbubbled, exhibitionististicicity and tattarrattat. I keep thinking that if I had been Irish and read the book at the time it was written I may have been able to decipher it a bit better. Or maybe not.

The story itself takes place in Dublin on June 16, 1904. The entire book spans less than 24 hours in the lives of Stephan Dedalus and Leopold Bloom. Not a whole lot physically happens to the characters and yet the book is 783 pages long. While I can't say I really ENJOYED the read, but I definitely APPRECIATE Joyce's intelligence and creativity as well as the novels' complexities. The story, once deciphered, was interesting enough, but quite vulgar at times. I can see why it was considered obscene in 1929. If you want to read a humorous review that mirrors my own feelings rather well, check this out: http://www.dougshaw.com/Reviews/review1.html
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A Reader posted a review at 2010-03-05 05:41:09. (Language: English)
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 As I indicated shortly after starting this book, being a Jesuit would have been a tremendous leg up on the read.

The stream of consciousness trope, so starting and exciting when I was younger, does not age well. In general, I was less patient with the book this time around than when I was younger.

It is still a great piece of literature, beyond doubt. But the rosy nostalgia that colored the memories of my last reading are gone.

Not being Christian, I felt more Bloom-like than Bloom for most of the book. Not a society I would aspire to join, but definitely feeling the outsider's pain.
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A Reader posted a review at 2008-08-04 07:24:50. (Language: English)
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 This is a book that morphs the concept of perspective. Hard to read? Yes. But, it is worth wading through. Many new Joyce scholars try to sit down with the Gabler edition and the Gifford “Ulysses Annotated” and read them in conjunction. While this is helpful, and I highly recommend the Gifford work, try just reading Ulysses completely through once with the schema. Ulysses takes place in almost a full day, from 8 a.m. to 2 a.m. Each episode refers in some way—either loosely, as a pun, or as a complex weaving of themes—to Homer’s Odyssey. No, you don’t need to thoroughly understand Homer in order to approach this text. And you don’t need to fully catch every obscure reference listed in the Gifford annotations. That is the beauty of Ulysses. There is such a depth of information that you will get something out of it each time you read it. You have to approach this text without fear of the unknown. Just to read and see what you can glean is the trick. You may feel lost, but you will find your way again. It is an undertaking, but you can’t help but leave this text with something to hold on to.
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A Reader posted a review at 2007-07-30 03:25:35. (Language: English)
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 I wanted to love it. I wanted to be able to rave about its symbolism, wit and famously dense narratives. I wanted to be drawn in to the world Joyce writes about. But I couldn't. Were it not that I had been studying at college, and had a lecturer that went through the book on a chapter-by-chapter basis, I might have given up on it completely. Therein lies for me, the biggest question thrown out by the novel that has defeated so many: is a book that requires so much extra work (not just aswipe though Homer's Odyssey, a knowledge of Irish history and geography, and a level of concentration for hours on end normally associated with Chinese water torture), really a book that can be enjoyed on its own? Is a constant requirement to refer back on itself or on other outside sources an unnecessary interruption, or a enhancing addition? Unfortunately, I found it the former. However, I admire Joyce for his bravery and his obvious skill with language and literary devices. I'm only sorry that it frustrated more than delighted me.
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A Reader posted a review at 2008-05-30 08:04:05. (Language: English)
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 There was a significantly unpopular policy on modernist evolution in past literary circles. By finishing the last word in Joyce's masterpiece, neither editors nor fanatic prigs could possibly drug the enormous influence and sheer brilliance of this philosophical novel. The major discussion on numerous themes, the utter criticism of local and worldwide issues, Molly Bloom's soliloquy....True, it requires patience to enjoy all chapters, each with its unique personality....and charming impudence!!! To strongly recommend Ulysses would only vindicate the challenge of reading it. And its justification as a precursor of many styles and later classics. I still am captivated by the mysterious apocrypha in "Oxen of the Sun" episode....and the orgasmic allegory of "Nausicaa".
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Aytuğ posted a review at 2008-07-04 05:05:19. (Language: English)
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 alıntı :Kent dolusu insan ölür gider, baska kent dolusu insan dogar gelir kionlarda ölür giderler : Gelir durur baskalari ölür giderler. Evler, sira sira evler, sokaklar, kilometrelerce kaldirimlar, yigin yigin tugla, tas. El degistirirler. Bir sahip gider baska bir sahip gelir. Ev sahipleri asla ölmez, diyerler. Azrail ahret yolculugu için kapiyi çaldikça, bir baskasi onun yerine geçiverir. Onca altini sayip gayri menkulü satin alirlar oysa gene de onlardadir onca altinlar. Bir yerlerden etmislerdir asirellezi. Çaglar boyu yikilip giden kentlerde gömülü. Çöldeki piramitlerde. Kurulan, ekmekle sogan karsiliginda.Kölelerin eseri Seddi Çin, Babil. Devasa taslar kalan bir. Yuvarlak kuleler. Gerisi uzanip giden derme çatma varoslarin enkazi. Mantar kubbeli moloz kervansaraylar. Geceleri karinacak, korunak....J.J / ULYSSES > ....
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A Reader posted a review at 2009-09-01 11:41:08. (Language: English)
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 yes so I read this book yes and it was extraordinarily difficult it took me two tries this was my second the first time it made absolutely no sense to me whatsoever but the second time I read Dubliners Portrait and Finnegans yes as well as the Odyssey and used sparknotes and cliffnotes and an electronic dictionary and still a lot of it did not make any sense no but I understood what was going on and how Joyce was playing with boundaries yes he sure did and how he played around with archetypal patterns and the collapsing or shall I say microcosms of time and events such as showing an ordinary event yes of a day in Dublin and then showing the correlation between this event and a mythological motif or another event in history yes he most certainly did or at least I think he did but that is just my interpretation but all is perspective I guess and thats what this book showed and when I ask myself if I will ever dive into this book again I look at the world around me and feel the nice cool premature fall breeze and see that everything is about to die and I ask myself again if I wish to read it again and I said no I won't no I wont it can be torture no I won't
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A Reader posted a review at 2009-11-28 10:05:22. (Language: English)
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 James Joyce has more books written about him and his works than possibly anyone else in the english language - barring Shakespeare. There are countless guides through the labyrinth that is Ulysses, and all do their job well, some better than others. This one, by Stuart Gilbert, was the first and is still the best. Originally written in the thirties, it remains the definitive guide to Joyce's masterpiece of modernism. Gilbert was a close friend of Joyce's, and it was written under the scrutiny and supervision of Joyce himself, making this the closest thing to a guide written by the author himself (which would probably be unintelligible in itself!). This small, helpful book guided me through one of the most difficult but most rewarding reading experiences of my life - and saw me through safely to the other side, and I would highly recommend it to anyone who is taking the plunge for the first time.
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A Reader posted a review at 2008-12-25 12:17:51. (Language: English)
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 "I've put in so many enigmas and puzzles that it will keep the professors busy for centuries arguing over what I meant, and that's the only way of ensuring one's immortality." - Once you thoroughly accept the fact that Joyce was a bit pompous, the book suddenly stops being painful. I doubt i could have made much sense of it if I hadn't taken a class on it. However, the guy had some really, really brilliant observations, and once you "get" the book, you'll realize how creepily true it is. It's a man's quest home to his wife, but it's basically the story of every man and woman out there. Don't believe me? The novel ends when Molly (the wife) says "yes" about a dozen times - isn't that basically it? Guy goes wandering around trying to prove himself, encounters all sorts of women that are not real but are untouchable unhuman stereotypes, then he finally goes home to his wife who is basically a normal woman and she remembers a day on the mountain when she first said "yes" to the man that later became her husband and that's the only way the species can survive, a woman's word. Add in a bit of Irish/English politics, religious fighting, a touch of Freud/Sacher-Masoch/Wilde/Homer/the freemasons, and a younger guy obsessed with poetry and his mom, and a million references to other stories (that are basically the same story but different) and you get Ulysses.
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Marcel posted a review at 2009-05-11 03:05:11. (Language: English)
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 The idea that authors who are "famous enough" end up like runaway horses, and are self-indulgent to boot, is tiresome. It's the kind of thing that was being said about Joyce (and his obvious need for stern, dominatrix editing to keep him in check) about the time ULYSSES appeared.
In Vladimir Nabokov's wonderful introduction to his lecture notes for MADAME BOVARY (and also for Austen's MANSFIELD PARK, Joyce's ULYSSES, Stevenson's DR. JEKYLL AND MR. HYDE, Kafka's METAMORPHOSIS, and Dickens's BLEAK HOUSE), VN talks about the "good reader" and says that he or she cannot be too much the slave to imagination and feeling and the wish to feel (ala Emma Bovary)nor too much the objective scientist, but rather a dynamic blend of both. And the same must be true, I think, for the writer -- or as Nabokov says of the great writers -- "Part teacher, part scientist, part enchanter."
People who say "I just can't read that sort of thing" -- SF, horror fiction, Henry James's fiction, Joyce's ULYSSES, magical realism, whatever -- simply don't have access to the proper protocols. (Most good -- i.e. wide -- readers develop multiple sets of protocols and are very sensitive early on in a work of fiction, perhaps just a few words in, to clues which tell them which dominant protocol should be used.) But the flip side is that people who have very developed (and preferred) genre-reading protocols have a very hard time moving out of them (if their expectations are high that something they're reading requires that specific set of protocols.)
And, whereas Montaigne’s dissembling and asides annoyed me, Lucretius’ seem like a kind of blessing, as at the beginning of the title essay “Sensation and Sex,” when he rhapsodizes, “I am blazing a trail through pathless tracts of the Muses’ Pierian realms, where no foot has ever trod before. What joy it is to light upon virgin springs and drink their waters. What joy to pluck new flowers…” Now, this kind of (literally) flowery prose could be the kind of thing Joyce parodied at times in Ulysses, but in the context of Lucretius’ essay, it works. It serves as a kind of entrance to and embrace of his world of atoms, images, smells, sounds, and tastes.
Note that I do NOT, unlike whoever posted the comment above, include the masterpiece ULYSSES in this sort of Instant Lit suggestion. It's a wildly ambitious and difficult novel, but the style and difficulties there are real and rewarding and, at times, the function of true genius. (I suspect our poster above knew that.)
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A Reader posted a review at 2009-07-05 12:54:11. (Language: English)
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 This is a book written by a giant and for the giants who walk this world, today or tomorrow. It is an impossible book to read, even more difficult and impossible than Kant's Critique (Kant's Critique is the most impossible book to read ever officially!). And that is why it is the most important and necessary book to read. A writer cannot ignore this book. Even less a philosopher. The language in this book is like running through a house with million doors and you never actually know which room you enter when, and if you tried reading the book again you will find that you read the same sentences in the same sequences but the doors you enter are different from the last time. It is the most perfect book to red again and again and find yourself going to the same place through a different route every time. It is also impossible to describe this book. It is impossible to say what is the purpose of this book. But this is the most important book you will ever read, so keep reading it again and again and again, till you are familiar with the million paths and doors inside Joyce's head. And feel your scrotum tighten every time you turn a page.
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A Reader posted a review at 2008-05-04 11:30:31. (Language: English)
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 I had been studying at college, and had a lecturer that went through the book on a chapter-by-chapter basis, I might have given up on it completely. Therein lies for me, the biggest question thrown out by the novel that has defeated so many: is a book that requires so much extra work (not just aswipe though Homer's Odyssey, a knowledge of Irish history and geography, and a level of concentration for hours on end normally associated with Chinese water torture), really a book that can be enjoyed on its own? Is a constant requirement to refer back on itself or on other outside sources an unnecessary interruption, or a enhancing addition? Unfortunately, I found it the former. However, I admire Joyce for his bravery and his obvious skill with language and literary devices. I'm only sorry that it frustrated more than delighted me.
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A Reader posted a review at 2009-03-14 02:47:23. (Language: English)
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 I'm not going to lie about it. This was a very difficult book to get through because of its sheer complexity and use of various unorthodox techniques. It goes from stream of consciousness, to a play, to a question and answer section, to a conclusion without any punctuation that can be best summed up as the longest run on sentence I have ever seen. I read a synopsis of what I'd actually read and I actually understood the story itself, which as far a a synopsis of events is relatively simple. However, I did not comprehend the subtext of how the different techniques related to the narrative itself and that's going to require a lot of research and rereading to really get the book. There's a lot of great wordplay in here and it's actually very well written and funny in many parts. However, it's also the most complex book I have ever read in my entire life.
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A Reader posted a review at 2007-12-06 05:56:14. (Language: English)
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 James Joyce spent seven years writing this novel and claimed that the critics would be arguing about it for decades to come. How right he was! The novel follows two characters, Stephen Dedalus (from Joyce’s earlier novel, Portrait of an Artist as a Young Man) and Leopold Bloom, in their perambulations around Dublin on one June day in 1904. The two unwittingly reenact episodes from Homer’s Odyssey in their travels and interactions with other Dubliners. The book is divided into eighteen chapters, the first ten (or so) of which are written in what critics call “free, indirect discourse,” meaning a seamless combination of stream-of-consciousness, direct dialogue, and third-person narration. The last eight chapters are each written in a completely different style, including naturalistic description, impressionist psychological drama, and a catechism. The book is woven with many themes, including the nature of consciousness, nationalism, sexuality, family, fiction-writing, and intertextuality. It’s a tough read and a stylistic tour-de-force, but it’s worth it. Ulysses is not a book you read; it is a book you reread.

By the way, this edition, the corrected text edited by Hans Walter Gabler, is currently the definitive text.
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A Reader posted a review at 2010-10-05 07:39:06. (Language: English)
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 This book is an excellent example of how you can have a literary masterpiece that isn't an enjoyable read, unless maybe you are an English major. With that in mind, if you do want to read this book, here is a list of things you may wish to have handy:
-a dictionary
-a method of translating phrases in the following languages into English:
French
German
Latin
Greek
Spanish
-a book of myths and legends from Greece and Ireland
-patience
-more patience
-and some more patience.
Good luck.
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